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Post by Pusscat on Oct 4, 2005 18:49:43 GMT
Ok, this is Dan (deadweight's) suggestion - so I'm going to blame him if it goes horribly wrong Right. In this thread I want people to suggest animes that would be bought to create an animesoc library. Obviously we have only got limited amounts (£190 to be split between Anime, Manga and How-to-draw Manga books), so we aren't going to be buying whole series, but if we can get the first DVDs of various things then people can always go ahead and buy it if they like it. Once we've got a number of suggestions I will be making a poll and the most voted anime will be bought. I think that maybe we'll do this on a weekly basis so that we're adding another to buy every week. (I'm not quite sure how this is going to work - I can see quite a few holes in the plot - but we'll give it a try). My first suggestion is Full Metal Alchemist.
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Post by jess on Oct 4, 2005 19:11:43 GMT
Well, I second Fullmetal Alchemist. ;D Will also add (as anime goes): Fruits Basket X Gundam Wing (hey...it's classic ) GetBackers Ones I think the soc should have, but not many people've seen them so...probably not; Kyo Kara Maoh Gankutsuou I don't really know much shonen, so i'll leave that completely alone... XP Uh, manga-wise, maybe Tsubasa, Gravitation, Saiyuki. I need to go check what the current status of licensed animes is (since i know i've forgotten loads) but those are my suggestions for the moment. ;D
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Post by fifi on Oct 4, 2005 19:20:57 GMT
Princess Mononoke, Akira, Spirited Away, it might be good to have some of the bigger titles, as like an intro for newbies i.e. moi, so like the really big ones might be a good start. dunno what tho part from those ones
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Post by Jamie on Oct 4, 2005 20:07:50 GMT
Princess Mononoke, Akira, Spirited Away, it might be good to have some of the bigger titles, as like an intro for newbies i.e. moi, so like the really big ones might be a good start. dunno what tho part from those ones I dunno, things like Akira, a lot of people allready own them on DVD etc, so I dont know that there would be much point buying them, at least not this year. I reckon we should just buy stuff from a wide range of subjects, something for everyone. I mean, I like pretty much anything, so im not that fussy. I will make one or two suggestions though: Ruoruni Kenshin (sp?) Ive also heard of it reffered to as Samurai x Gundam wing Ghost in the shell, stand alone complex Gungrave oooh lots of Gs
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Post by christie on Oct 4, 2005 20:15:12 GMT
hate to be the illegal-loving one here, but couldn't we just buy blank DVD's and everyone copy a series or something to be put in a lending library? And it can be a super-secret one It's just it's like £15 a DVD, and you only get about 4 episodes on it. Most people can download or get hold of anime anyway. I think the how-to-draw manga books are a good idea though, and so is the manga, because that's not downloadable.
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Post by christie on Oct 4, 2005 20:16:38 GMT
plus...it looks like about 95% of us has anime we'd like to share/copy/lend for people, and more than enough material for showings. We could just pool the resources we have already and spend the money on something else.
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Post by jess on Oct 4, 2005 20:25:21 GMT
Thing is, though obviously loads of us do have a lot of downloaded stuff... it probably wouldn't go down too well with the union if the majority of the society's stuff (and the majority of the anime shown) was utterly illegal. We can probably get away with it if it's not licensed over here, but otherwise...
DVDs are expensive, but if we want to have some good quality (image and sub-wise) anime which is actually legal, we really need to start buying official DVDs. 'cause it would look pretty bad to only be showing, essentially, pirated stuff.
Obviously everyone can share downloaded series amongst themselves (hey, that's what we have that subforum for ;D) but for animes shown in meetings, it would be safest (and most ethical =p) to have a legal copy.
Ooh, and I second Kenshin. Maybe just the OVAs though (they're the ones called Samurai X)
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Post by Honeyman on Oct 4, 2005 22:01:49 GMT
Second the notion for the Samurai X DVDs. Excellence in all areas.
Cowboy Bebop - Just to show people how cool anime can be. Honestly, in the first disc you get 5 episodes and its just the right amount to get people hooked. Trust me.
I've also heard Last Exile's very high quality in all areas too. Full Metal Panic maybe as well?
Read or Die TV series and Samurai Champloo are other recommendations.
Not necessarily all round in terms of genres but I believe all the shows are good for getting people excited about anime. These were also taken from a gnader at ADV and MVM's UK websites, so see what you think.
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Post by Pusscat on Oct 4, 2005 22:05:03 GMT
Basically exactly what she said. We will be watching fan subbed stuff but that is only because it is not yet available to buy in England.
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Post by deadweight on Oct 5, 2005 11:19:01 GMT
I actually do to a certain extent see what Christie is saying, that anime is expensive. But then thats also a reason for the soc to buy it, as a student, I don't have much money for dvds myself. However this migh also be a reason not to buy it and to do go ahead merely with a central lending system using all of the dvds of our hopefully willing members. Also it will, with our limited funding, as previously said be difficult to get a wide collection of complete anime series' , the library would serve as more of a taster library for introductions to anime.
Perhaps a reappraisal of the initial idea is in order. (This really is why pencils have erasers ;D cheeeeeeeeese!). Maybe we should change the focal point of the library, anime seems to be the problem here, but also the main point of discussion. Maybe it would be a better idea to focus to the manga side, which in this discussion seems to have been sadly neglected.
Manga is less available for free, because scanlations are difficult and uncomfortable to look at for long periods. We also don't already have the effective mass taster sessions of the anime showings to showcase manga.
Any other thoughts anybody?
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Post by realfolkdude on Oct 5, 2005 11:31:23 GMT
I like the idea of expanding the manga side of things as its a lot more difficult to get into but equally rewarding. The reservation I would have with the anime library is the rapditiy of degradation of the mangas we do have when being loaned out, it wouldnt take long for previously pristine volumes to become battered beyond belief. Anime wouldn't suffer quite so obviously. Manga bought in the local area is outrageously expensive so we'd perhaps have to go elsewhere to find it either way.
Another point on the legality of having an anime library, if fansubbed anime not released in the country is donated on DVD to the library on a standard avi/divx/whatever format and no money actually changes hands over the matter I'm not sure if I can identify a huge problem with that, as long as no one profits. Obviously they would have to be removed from the library upon release in the country.
Fetch me someone doing a law degree! Deni doing criminal justice which sounds close enough.
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Post by deadweight on Oct 5, 2005 11:40:23 GMT
Really? how expensive can it be? How about internet stores?
But on the subject of book lending, we could look at a current library for tips. Although it sounds harsh, I think if this is to work we need all the garb, like late fees and damage penalties.Maybe not late fees but certainly damage penalties is one obvious solution to the degradation problem.
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Post by pupil on Oct 5, 2005 11:52:21 GMT
Isn't there something about the differences in copyright laws between here and Japan that somehow makes downloading anime legal? Ah, it's probably a wild rumour.
Aside from that, I agree with realfolkdude. I don't see any moral problem with downloading stuff that isn't available here anyway.
Maybe we need to see what everyone does have available to bring before we decide what to buy.
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Post by Extremely sleepy Yoshi on Oct 5, 2005 12:45:29 GMT
Well, Fullmetal Alchemist (Hagaren in Japanese) sounds fun. There is a movie of FA in Japan now, so hopefully we can get it. I like Gundam Wing, too (I have a cd of some songs of Gundam wing, made by the group name 'two-mix') My suggestion is .Hack sign and maybe GTO I have some Gibli's DVD such as Princess mononke, Laputa, Kiki's delivery service. So, maybe I can just bring them if you guys want to watch Gibli's movies. I don't know about the situation of anime import here in the UK, but if you are looking for DVDs only available in Japan, maybe I can ask my mother to send them.
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Post by christie on Oct 5, 2005 12:57:15 GMT
Yoshi, can I ask you a favour? I would love you forever if you could help. I want the anniversary edition of my neighbour totoro that's being released by buena vista japan, with all the special features and the english subtitles/dub done by disney. If you could get hold of that I would be so grateful! Or if anyone knows a website that isn't charging £50 for the dvd?
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Post by realfolkdude on Oct 5, 2005 12:58:22 GMT
so hopefully we can get it. I like Gundam Wing, too (I have a cd of some songs of Gundam wing, made by the group name 'two-mix') Hehe, I have a Two-Mix album as well called "Super Best Files" with "Just Communication" and "Rhythm Emotion" which were the first two OP's. I think everyone loves Ghibli ^^
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Post by Bloddy sleepy Yossy on Oct 5, 2005 13:05:57 GMT
Hmmm, is that the same one I got in Japan? I have 3 songs of Gubdam wing, though (means 3rd song is white reflexion) Two-mix is pretty cool! (I sometimes song their songs in karaoke box in Japan)
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Post by deadweight on Oct 5, 2005 15:02:18 GMT
Isn't there something about the differences in copyright laws between here and Japan that somehow makes downloading anime legal? Ah, it's probably a wild rumour. Aside from that, I agree with realfolkdude. I don't see any moral problem with downloading stuff that isn't available here anyway. Maybe we need to see what everyone does have available to bring before we decide what to buy. We already have a fair idea of what people have already. Infact we have a whole forum thread for borrowing/lending with threads for what we have and are willing to share. I also see no moral problem with downloading unavailable stuff. However the same doesn't go for the university whos money we will be spending on a library. Downloading anime still remains highly illegal. But yeh... maybe trying to get hold of the FMA/Hagaren manga would be a cool idea, anybody know if its out here yet? or even america? Other manga suggestions would be cool.
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Post by jess on Oct 5, 2005 15:42:19 GMT
FMA manga is out - but for some reason the anime shops round here never seem to have it in stock. I know vols 1-3 are definitely out already, and one of the novels is also being released this month. (we should get hold of that ;D) And yes, downloading any anime is certainly illegal. =p But generally companies don't care unless it's licensed so that's not much of a problem.
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Post by trithcatis on Oct 5, 2005 16:24:32 GMT
Vampire Hunter D - go on, dooo ittt!! Ghost in the shell Blade of the immortal Coybow bebop...
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Post by eva_v_angel on Oct 5, 2005 16:42:36 GMT
if animes are going to be bought someones suggestion of buying a wide range of stuff so ppl can see what they are like sounds good, then if they like it they can collect it in their own time, or even find other members who may have it already and are willing to lend it.
the manga sounds good also, sometimes it seems difficult to find things, but then im not sure if the manga would work quite as well as the anime in the same sort of taster thing.
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Post by deadweight on Oct 5, 2005 17:20:03 GMT
Good point. Although the manga wouldn't have to work in the same way as the anime, manga is cheaper (unless we're talking about akira and its many volumes) about £5 a volume as opposed to £10 or £15.
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Post by Tremor on Oct 5, 2005 21:25:00 GMT
Have we considered rentals? I know amazon.co.uk do it now, and I'm sure we could find a few other you.K sites. If just for the purpose of showing on the nights, why would we need to own them?
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Post by Pusscat on Oct 5, 2005 21:30:50 GMT
It's more for the purpose of establishing a permanent library (that can pass on from year to year), having it for the showings (especially them being legal copies) is just an added advantage.
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Post by Tremor on Oct 5, 2005 21:40:26 GMT
*Nods, but for series we're unsure about, we could rent first. Also holds the advantage that we can see a lot more for the same amount of money, so it might be something to consider if any new things are released that may or may not be well-recieved. ^^
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Post by deadweight on Oct 6, 2005 0:01:01 GMT
Yes but most things as a society we have seen via fansubs already so it would not exactly be blind investment anyway.
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Post by keroro on Oct 7, 2005 14:31:39 GMT
For gods sake just do not buy any super milk chan. My brain is still partially liquified form the last viewing
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Post by Yossy on Oct 7, 2005 14:53:09 GMT
Well, I think we can bring our own DVDs, too (not copied ones of cource) Actually, I have some DVDs of Gibli movies and I am thinking of buying DVDs like FMA or something else.
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Post by christie on Oct 7, 2005 21:51:40 GMT
whats super milk chan?
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Post by mega-manga on Oct 7, 2005 21:57:03 GMT
Yossy.. get FMA. It's great.
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